Tuesday
Oct202009
Circularity
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 at 10:51PM 
Still going round and round with Godlessons.
Why is it that whenever I have this kind of discussion, my stats go way up?
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 at 10:51PM navigation
Rebecca Stark is the author of The Good Portion: God, the second title in The Good Portion series.
The Good Portion: God explores what Scripture teaches about God in hopes that readers will see his perfection, worth, magnificence, and beauty as they study his triune nature, infinite attributes, and wondrous works.
Reader Comments (5)
You're a much braver soul than I, Rebecca. This sort of thing makes my head hurt.
People are interested in what will be said next, so they check back more often.
As you might expect, I have a less Calvinist view of the topic, but I think you've done an excellent job in laying out some powerful arguments in a clear way in a short space. Once the argument gets to the point, for whatever reason, where one of the arguments put forward is just "You are illogical", it's probably grinding to a halt.
I would submit that God defies man's logic. He is above the feeble mind of man. Truly “as high as the heavens are above the earth” are his ways above our ways. If one suggests that God is subject to the logic of man, one is thinking too highly of himself.
Jules,
God is indeed incomprehensible to us, which is what I think you're getting at. His reasoning is so far beyond ours that we catch only glimpses of it, so that when God explains himself to us, he speaks in "baby-talk."
I think the first poster got it right. When you have controversy, people are interested to see how it goes, thus better stats.
Now, the reason that arguments eventually get down to the point where someone says that it isn't logical is because of the nature of faith. Faith itself defies logic, and many of the concepts that believers have are totally faith based. Generally faith should never get into the realm of logic and science because they work on totally different principles. Science explains things we know where faith attempts to explain things we don't know.
My issue is that there are certain things that can be tested, either logically or empirically and all too often, as soon as the believer sees that the discussion will not go their way, they resort to the religious trump card of "goddidit nuff said." Rebecca has been doing a very good job up until now, and I have been hoping she can get further. I am very willing to give credit where credit is due, and I have. When it makes sense I try to always concede and go with the flow.
Anyway, the discussion may soon be done, but I have learned something and I hope other people have also.